But he has repeated his fallacious accusation of the "one-sided nature of the Gaza indictments": ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan put together alot of evidence against three Hamas terrorist leaders (Sinwar, Deif and Haniyeh) and requested arrest warrants of the court, but Israel killed two of them before permission was given.
Furthermore, the idea that justice requires prosecuting both sides in a legal conflict is preposterous: if your house was burgled, would you rightfully be charged alongside your burglar?!
So Chris' accusation is a deflection. What commentators here should ask themselves is: if Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent, what have they to fear from their day in court?
I think Chris Stephen knows this, because he has the honesty to point out the double standards of those who seek to protect Netanyahu and yet happily - and correctly - would prosecute Putin.
To be fair to him, Chris' argument in his book is more sophisticated than that of those intent on harbouring a criminal. His point is that international justice was better served when the UN Security Council ordained prosecution, as it did in the cases Chris was involved in, namely the Tribunals against the former Yugoslavia in 1993 and against Rwanda in 1994. The trouble with his argument is that the UNSC would block Putin's arrest with a Russian veto and Netanyahu's with a US.
Whatever the ICC's faults, none of those served with an arrest warrant will be holidaying in Europe ever again, and for that there's no doubt their wives will be punishing them brutally every night for the rest of their lives :-)
Thank you, Nakayama, for your information. It seems we have a mix of historical knowledge, and also whether existence is proper or not for entities and peoples. Unfortunately, I have less time to read background info and respond fully to all of your points - however, it seems that we need a simpler, and more loving manner to allow for everyone to exist in peace with one another. Some religious and political views do not treat others on equal standing - and, cultural traditions that are helpful to a society, and not harmful to others should be allowed to exist fully and peacefully. I know this is a very high-level response, but its all I have time for currently. It would be best if we could all lay down our weapons of war, obsolete the money system for a fair trade process and learn to love and respect each other across the board. If we can't achieve this on Earth, perhaps on Mars - seriously.
The ICC (International Criminal Court) should have indicted Hamas leaders for crimes against humanity in Gaza. Hamas started the war with Israel on Oct. 6, 2023. Its much more complicated than the media, in general, covers. Zionism is not about killing Palestinians or any other perceived enemy of Israel, but rather it is about securing the one Jewish state - country in the world - which is a democracy. I stand by my vote to say that the ICC is unfair to declare Netanyahu committed genocide. The war would not have occurred if Hamas had not opened fire with missiles and horrid attacks against innocent Israelis and more attending the "Peace" concert.
CLEAR MESSAGE: DO NOT START A WAR WITH ISRAEL!
Hamas suppresses and uses Palestinians for their own purpose to destroy Israel. During peaceful moments, Israel provides jobs to many Palestinians at 8 times the salary offered to them within their own territory. Israel would be able to help so much more if Hamas was not in power.
@JANBAUCOM, I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph.
The Prosecutor did request and the ICC did produce an arrest warrant for Hamas [see my other comment] but the ICC concerns itself primarily with prosecuting individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes, and not only with the crime of aggression, or loosely but not accurately, your point of who started the war.
Furthermore, Karim Kahn's accusation is not of genocide, he has instead "reasonable grounds to believe that [Bibi] has committed the war crime of using starvation as a method of warfare and crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts, as a direct perpetrator, acting jointly with others ... responsible for the war crime of intentionally directing attacks against civilians as a superior" - https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-issuance-arrest-warrants-situation-state-palestine
Thank you, Charles, for explaining that it is not an accusation of genocide. I agree that war, and the many methods of winning a war, including the killing of civilians is an atrocity in and of itself. Our own country is guilty in this participation (and, instigation promoting weapons of war for profit) within many wars.
Personally I think that all leaders who are party to a violent conflict should present to the ICC to acquit themselves.
Many of us tried to get Blair sent there over the Iraq War for a war of aggression (which you may have been alluding to?). That we failed doesn't mean we shouldn't try Putin and Netanyahu (and as many Hamas and Hezbollah leaders as we can get evidence on) given that the relevant national authorities seem unable or unwilling to do so.
It may turn out that Israel does investigate Bibi. It has tried and has jailed a President, Prime Ministers, Govt Minters, Chief Rabbis ... which would mean the ICC wouldn't need to.
PS. you may have seen just last week notice of allegations of British special forces unlawfully killing detainees in Afghanistan, and the cover-up > https://substack.com/home/post/p-154336999
PPS. the arms trade, per se, is not a crime; the chain of causation of the trade to another crime will almost always be too tenuous to stand up in court. States are allowed to possess arms, there's no analogy with individuals. Or do you want to make the case that there should be?
Charles - I am very idealistic and believe our rules of engaging with one another and the laws governing them should change. I've worked in the weapons and defense technology sector longer than 9 years (secret clearance) scientific programmer/analyst in research & development, I learned that our company (and others) sold fighter jets and weapons to enemies of each other. We supplied to all sides. These war games are immoral. Our world must change! Thanks for the link, I will read it soon!
Israel is NOT a democracy in any way shape or form. You state the creation of a Jewish state as a democracy, it's kinda like saying the Catholic state of the Holy Roman was a democracy. Such states are not and never can be.
One of the cornerstones of any democracy is No slavery, Women can vote, Everyone in that occupied territory, created or settled country and its controlled territories can vote equally for one government. Saying the Palestinian have their own government is not even a real argument, as it is just any North American or South American or European indigenous persons have council over their own reserved land without ii constantly being eroded away by ass-holes like this - https://www.pbs.org/video/a-legacy-of-broken-promises/
This is obviously not the case with Israel, Jews in the west bank can vote but non Jews can not, how does that work? Modern Israel is akin to United States America in 1830, they called that a democracy too, when in fact it was not. In fact the United States tried to become a democracy in 1965 Voter Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but still failed because of the following.
The United States of America still uses the Electoral College System that was only brought into being due to slave population in the south, to give the then prominently slave states more proportionate voting rights, this was a condition those states insisted on, so this system became unconstitutional when the slavery was abolished. So the U.S. is still not a democracy, unlike France's presidential system is now.
Israel in a modern context, is very much an apartheid state. Therefore your comments are LOL. Remember the Torah is not a Land Deed and rabbis and the Israeli government are not a Realtor. It's like saying the Doctrine of Discovery is and was a land deed another JOKE.
Thanks, Joe, for your perspective. No country is a perfect democracy. I agree with you about the Jewish settlements within close proximity to Gaza - they should not exist there (they should relocate themselves within closer and safer areas within Israel - its way too controversial to have opposing, and unstable populations who unhealthfully poke and prod at each other). There are at least 48 Muslim countries; only one Jewish state/country. If the majority of Palestinians do not support Israel, and would be unwilling to live as a Muslim within Israel (it is a more democratic state than the US - though not perfect as you and anyone may express, it does allow freedom of religion, and it supports all of its people within democratic processes - not perfectly, but better than many countries that are not "democratic") would any of the 48 Muslim countries accept them into their country? No - they have not accepted any of the Palestinians who hate Israel. There are pockets of Palestinians and Israelis who want to live together in peace. They want their children to grow up playing and working together. There are parents from within both Palestine and Israel who are meeting to accomplish this. We will never see this on the main-stream-media. Hate, war and atrocities sell big time on these for-profit news media.
There are 15 Muslim countries out of the 48 that implement Sharia Law. Many Israeli Muslims are happy to be citizens of Israel - ask the citizens that live in Abu Gosh... And, Israel was built because of Zionism - the founder, Herzl, though coined the "Spiritual Father" of Israel was NOT religious. He simply wanted one country in the world to exist so that Jews could escape persecution in countries around the world. He considered other areas to create (or re-create, the land of Israel)... and, it seems that perhaps creating the new Israel elsewhere, and not surrounded by enemies, may have been the wiser choice. Its very complicated. There are super religious Jews who do not believe that the state of Israel is land-based at all; rather, that is it simply a Spiritual state and not one to fight for with respect to land boundaries. This idea is very much in agreement with your statement that the Torah is not a Land Deed... some are in total agreement with you. For practical purposes, where can the Jews settle without agitation from others who do not see a rightful positioning of them within the world?
You compare Israel with surrounding states, THEY ARE NOT A MEASURING STICK.
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Zionists are racists and a racist ideology.
WE do not live in Andrew Jackson's time of the 1830 Indian Removal Act. The Zionist get a pass to displace people because of the Holocaust of WW2, it's sicking.
I was in communication with a West Bank rabbi for a Brief Monument in Time. He asked me during our poking and prodding of each other "should you give back the land to the Indian" I took that to mean the North American Indian, my answer was yes. He cursed me with some kinda hex or something. It's about
We can't go back in time but we can treat everyone as equals, even for the backward ones that many evangelicals are regardless their religion.
But they ( Israel) don't, they even banned Al Jazeera. If it was up to me there would be NO single veto votes in the U.N. and Israel would have a global ban fro everything and travel boycott, and U.S. citizens born in the USA or any other country would be stripped of that countries citizenship.
The mark of a advance and true democracy is accepting the backwards idiots like those that live in Iran or on the West Bank Settlers.
But he is the thing the Ashkenazi Jew is not the indigenous Jew, religious or not, they are just European ass-holes like all the others that went to colonize North and south America, Africa, Australia and New Zealand and all the rest of the Pacific islands but the Zionists keep spinning the homeland story, it pure shit.
The if was the U.S. President I would bomb and take out all the air bases in Israel with NO warning. But really I am just a broken down very old carpenter who likes the documentaries I watched Gospel of Thomas and Gospel of Mary it sort figures to make more sense of those times than the mush in the Torah and the cannon Bible.
I used to go to synagogue when I was very young with my a old holocaust survivor,may dad worked for him, he would be worth billions today, he was very orthodox and he even got me a little black suit and hat to wear. I used get the stare because I sat on the mans side with him while old boys still sat on the other. I was the guest, I guess, as I was not Jewish but really like going. His first family died in the camps, his second family five daughters. My mon got mad at my dad when she found out, dad did not care.
One year I convinced him to take me out for Halloween and for him to dress as black beard the pirate if promised NEVER to tell his rabbi or any other rabbi or or disclose his name to anyone else; after that he put on the eye patch, pirate hand sword I dressed as his pirate "mate" it was unclear what level of mate I was. His wife rolled her eyes at us and shook her head both of us. The told me stories that NO young person sound ever hear about his time in the camps, it's not like I don't know.
I really just say exactly how I feel, I have be DM privately by may who felt the same way much to my surprise - I reply that i just like to rant once in a while unlike President Darth Vader who does it ALL time.
Do I even care about Zionist hostages, nope; they are no different than the settlers of North America or those in Africa and all the others, do I care, when one or more died Nope. If you displace people that YOUR risk like it or not.
Do I care when a jay-walker gets hit by a car NOPE.
We'll have to agree to disagree on many of your extreme points. As long as we label any person as not counting - that their life doesn't matter, we have a very dark chasm inside ourself to travel. Within the depths of that chasm, try to understand all at a deeper level. We are all made of the same stuff. Religion, in general, causes too much division. Its man's way of justifying himself to others within his own group. The walls of religion and its extremism must fall or we are domed to eternal division, eternal hate for one another. To deem some people's lives as not counting is unconscionable. What hell we have created on Earth! Some may label you as you label "them," as not counting in life. This hate needs to heal or there is no reason for human existence.
I don't know what you call not wanting to be colonized as an extreme point of view and people fight back in the only way they know how.
The North American Indians fought back and killed and massacred many settlers as well. BUT, was Sitting Bull a Little Bighorn a terrorist within today's meaning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn or was he just another freedom fighter? Why don't you ponder that one?
I personally think ALL of the Middle East is very backwards and more or less gets more so as time marches on since the Minoan civilization, just like many, but not all indigenous peoples outside of Europe at the time of colonizations and less so now in present day but many are still backwards.
But a sign of more advanced intelligence is not to keep doing 1830s America. Israel is very backwards as proof with 700,000 settlers in the West Bank or 40km incursion into Syria, breaking their own peace treaty. That really sounds advanced, does it not?
The Idea and country of Israel was founded in pure terrorism so was America, Canada and all of South America from a indigenous point of view. Lets just steal what we want because we are white and have better weapons and army than you; oh sounds pretty evolved to me do this not sound that way to you to?
Why are Zionists so entitled to a homeland based on apartheid and not old time South Africa privileged?
Now the shitty Americans want to keep their base in old U.K. territory in the Indian Ocean called Mauritius on the Chagos Islands, I guess Yankee go home is an extremist view too? Have you ever read or even looked at the maps in the back of this book? https://kalamullah.com/Books/Pappe-Ilan-The-Ethnic-Cleansing-of-Palestine.pdf
FYI: If one is fighting people inside of their indigenous lands they are freedom fighters. That is not an extremist point of view, it is a fact.
Israel is NOT the land of the Ashkenazi Western and Eastern, Europe and Russia is. I am sorry but if you can't see mass displacement since 1948 as wrong, YOU are a bit brain dead https://archive.org/details/jewishterrorismi0000peda/page/2/mode/2up NO, One has any right or privilege at the expense of others.
Jews and other Zionists as a whole disproportionately control the monetary system and now 70 percent of the U.S. congress through Lobby Money, so the Jewish disenfranchised in past centuries that existed no longer does anymore unless it because other OWN doing!!!
The Ashkenazi Zionists imported Yemenite Jews in Operation Magic Carpet ride to try to legitimize their claims. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-world/2024/10/22/israel-the-yemenite-children-affair They did the same with other Arab Jews many from Iraq and Egypt. This was largely accomplished by conducting false flag operations so they had to leave. These investigative documentaries is why Al Jazeera is banned there sounds like a form of Putin
LOL is so-called Americans, Canadians, and Europeans fighting in the IDF but will not serve in their own armed forces again these fuckers NEED the boot.
Fuck Isreal and every racists ass-hole in it. Israel as it is known today and since 1948 will come to a end if and when United States aid ends to it. This what they lobby against, it's a scam.
Imagine this for a moment: The nuts that control the balance of power there all were born and grew up in illegal West Bank settlements but can vote in Israeli elections and run in them but non Jews in the West bank can not, how does that square up?
Or the bad crazy Zionist orthodox do not even have to serve in the IDF how do you square that one up?
Or the Zionist orthodox get free welfare cheques provided to them since Israel's creation how do you square that one up?
Israel of day will have a internal civil war as there is even apartheid among their own kind between the Ashkenazi, and the Arab Jews that were crapped on early on; just YouTube search Arab Jew or the read up on IT : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfDhaWlqXf8
I thought I had replied already - and, alas, I must not have hit the Reply button. In short, the Zionist movement was founded by Herzl, who was not a religious Jew - yet, Israel has coined him as the "Spiritual Father" of Israel. There are some extreme orthodoxical religious Jews who believe that Israel is about a supreme spiritual state and not about a land mass. They do not believe in defending Israel's land boundaries, and I wouldn't label them as "Zionists." Every citizen in Israel is not a racist. Please read my other comment to you above.
It would have been easier on everyone if there weren't extreme clashes in ideologies living so close and sharing borders one with the other. Thanks!
Eh, so you are saying that within the modern Israel, there is not a strong theological component in its political mix? While IDF did throw Palestinians into Gaza, at night, with people in pajama and without their personal belongings as early as 1946, the Israel I thought I knew about during the 60s and 70s carried military actions more along the code of the conventional European armies. Palestinians were not treated well, but not as bad as they are today. At least on the surface, the Israel government tried to play a facade of different but equal. But after the assassination of Begin, things in Israel has come downhill. And during Netanyahu's rule, I would say things change at avalanche speed.
You know why there are 48 Muslim countries but only one Israel? Because Muslim theology does not require believers to be from a certain tribe. There are Muslims in Chinese, European, and southeast Asia societies as well. And Muslim do not believe anyone or tribe is higher than any other person or tribe. Furthermore, Muslim teaching discourages borrowing and lending. In comparison to a certain ethnic group dominating the banking industry, that is a very strong contrast.
Does Israel has a right to survive? of course, as long as it is within the 1946-1948 UN resolutions. 1956 and 1967 wars were both launched by Israel by surprise attack, te same way as the raid on Pearl Harbor. The Egyptians replayed the same script in 1973. Eventually Egypt lost, signed peace treaty, ceded large chunks of Sinai to Israel, and did not try to grab it back by force ever since. Syria ceded Golan Heights, and had not tried to take it back by military forces. However, Israel funded, supported, and maintained new settlements in areas not recognized by UN or any such post-war treaties between Israel and other countries.
We ALL know the Herzl dream, Hitler and William Luther Pierce had one too, BOTH are really shitty, even more so in the 20th and especially in the 21st Century this is NOT 1850, 1896 or 1945 or even 1960, this is TODAY.
Zionism is just a backwards cult, like all religions that are almost a 100 percent of the time taken out of context, if there were any good points to start with.
Regarding below: to ICC, Polish leader says Netanyahu is immune at Auschwitz commemoration. Poland needs to be suspended immediately from the European Union and use of the Euro.
Let Poland use the Russian Rouble or Israeli Shekel. If Poland does not get suspended and then the boot there is NO credibility in the EU and the ICC which they are all part of; it does not matter who or what the ICC warrant is for the EU MUST show some spine.
Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Israel what those pricks have done to the Palestinians since 1948 till now is NO different proportionally than what Hitler did to the Ashkenazi over a more compressed time period.
NO MORE BOO HOO FOR THE JEW from something Hitler did to them, it does give them a pass to that very thing to do to others, including preferential hiring of their own kind or black balling ALL people, even their own kind if they are not Zionists.
I heard it all; You are a Self Hating Jew or your are a Antisemite or you have Axe to Grind, it ALL bullshit and one day it’s all going to come back to bit them one way or another. Today one would tolerate Andrew Jackson’s 1830 Indian Removal Act either; so why the fuck do Zionists in any form or shape get a pass?
This biting has already come full circle for this person in relation to the aforementioned, as I personally would not care if the whole of Tel Aviv was whipped by a bio weapon, Israelis and their leader are ALL racist self entitled assholes. I say this not out of anger but as a point in fact.
To think I am white have NO connection to the Middle East but have Jewish blood as far back as King Henry's III time frame, from what family history my long gone English uncle did many decades ago, who would be well over a 110 if alive today.
Yahya Sinwar is or was nuts like the rest, he is just on the other side of the equation.
Everyone remembers E=Mc2 equation, but really it is Ec2=M if you know physics you will understand and one day other sides not friendly to anyone will obtain it to balance the scales.
P.S. I never thought anyone ever read my rants least of all let alone anything I ever write, or email politicians about in great microscopic detail, that is mostly related to building design and using cement that is produced with 50% of a Co2 footprint and forest fire proof buildings and city planning on the scale and type in Singapore. At least I can say I tried to warn them. I wrote about Peace in the Middle East not too many takers on that one. https://joecreed.substack.com/p/peace-for-the-world-and-the-middle-b65
Very good reporting from Chris Stephen.
But he has repeated his fallacious accusation of the "one-sided nature of the Gaza indictments": ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan put together alot of evidence against three Hamas terrorist leaders (Sinwar, Deif and Haniyeh) and requested arrest warrants of the court, but Israel killed two of them before permission was given.
Furthermore, the idea that justice requires prosecuting both sides in a legal conflict is preposterous: if your house was burgled, would you rightfully be charged alongside your burglar?!
So Chris' accusation is a deflection. What commentators here should ask themselves is: if Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent, what have they to fear from their day in court?
I think Chris Stephen knows this, because he has the honesty to point out the double standards of those who seek to protect Netanyahu and yet happily - and correctly - would prosecute Putin.
To be fair to him, Chris' argument in his book is more sophisticated than that of those intent on harbouring a criminal. His point is that international justice was better served when the UN Security Council ordained prosecution, as it did in the cases Chris was involved in, namely the Tribunals against the former Yugoslavia in 1993 and against Rwanda in 1994. The trouble with his argument is that the UNSC would block Putin's arrest with a Russian veto and Netanyahu's with a US.
Whatever the ICC's faults, none of those served with an arrest warrant will be holidaying in Europe ever again, and for that there's no doubt their wives will be punishing them brutally every night for the rest of their lives :-)
Thank you, Nakayama, for your information. It seems we have a mix of historical knowledge, and also whether existence is proper or not for entities and peoples. Unfortunately, I have less time to read background info and respond fully to all of your points - however, it seems that we need a simpler, and more loving manner to allow for everyone to exist in peace with one another. Some religious and political views do not treat others on equal standing - and, cultural traditions that are helpful to a society, and not harmful to others should be allowed to exist fully and peacefully. I know this is a very high-level response, but its all I have time for currently. It would be best if we could all lay down our weapons of war, obsolete the money system for a fair trade process and learn to love and respect each other across the board. If we can't achieve this on Earth, perhaps on Mars - seriously.
The ICC (International Criminal Court) should have indicted Hamas leaders for crimes against humanity in Gaza. Hamas started the war with Israel on Oct. 6, 2023. Its much more complicated than the media, in general, covers. Zionism is not about killing Palestinians or any other perceived enemy of Israel, but rather it is about securing the one Jewish state - country in the world - which is a democracy. I stand by my vote to say that the ICC is unfair to declare Netanyahu committed genocide. The war would not have occurred if Hamas had not opened fire with missiles and horrid attacks against innocent Israelis and more attending the "Peace" concert.
CLEAR MESSAGE: DO NOT START A WAR WITH ISRAEL!
Hamas suppresses and uses Palestinians for their own purpose to destroy Israel. During peaceful moments, Israel provides jobs to many Palestinians at 8 times the salary offered to them within their own territory. Israel would be able to help so much more if Hamas was not in power.
@JANBAUCOM, I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph.
The Prosecutor did request and the ICC did produce an arrest warrant for Hamas [see my other comment] but the ICC concerns itself primarily with prosecuting individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes, and not only with the crime of aggression, or loosely but not accurately, your point of who started the war.
Furthermore, Karim Kahn's accusation is not of genocide, he has instead "reasonable grounds to believe that [Bibi] has committed the war crime of using starvation as a method of warfare and crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts, as a direct perpetrator, acting jointly with others ... responsible for the war crime of intentionally directing attacks against civilians as a superior" - https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-issuance-arrest-warrants-situation-state-palestine
I'd be interested in your thoughts.
Thank you, Charles, for explaining that it is not an accusation of genocide. I agree that war, and the many methods of winning a war, including the killing of civilians is an atrocity in and of itself. Our own country is guilty in this participation (and, instigation promoting weapons of war for profit) within many wars.
Personally I think that all leaders who are party to a violent conflict should present to the ICC to acquit themselves.
Many of us tried to get Blair sent there over the Iraq War for a war of aggression (which you may have been alluding to?). That we failed doesn't mean we shouldn't try Putin and Netanyahu (and as many Hamas and Hezbollah leaders as we can get evidence on) given that the relevant national authorities seem unable or unwilling to do so.
It may turn out that Israel does investigate Bibi. It has tried and has jailed a President, Prime Ministers, Govt Minters, Chief Rabbis ... which would mean the ICC wouldn't need to.
PS. you may have seen just last week notice of allegations of British special forces unlawfully killing detainees in Afghanistan, and the cover-up > https://substack.com/home/post/p-154336999
PPS. the arms trade, per se, is not a crime; the chain of causation of the trade to another crime will almost always be too tenuous to stand up in court. States are allowed to possess arms, there's no analogy with individuals. Or do you want to make the case that there should be?
Charles - I am very idealistic and believe our rules of engaging with one another and the laws governing them should change. I've worked in the weapons and defense technology sector longer than 9 years (secret clearance) scientific programmer/analyst in research & development, I learned that our company (and others) sold fighter jets and weapons to enemies of each other. We supplied to all sides. These war games are immoral. Our world must change! Thanks for the link, I will read it soon!
Israel is NOT a democracy in any way shape or form. You state the creation of a Jewish state as a democracy, it's kinda like saying the Catholic state of the Holy Roman was a democracy. Such states are not and never can be.
One of the cornerstones of any democracy is No slavery, Women can vote, Everyone in that occupied territory, created or settled country and its controlled territories can vote equally for one government. Saying the Palestinian have their own government is not even a real argument, as it is just any North American or South American or European indigenous persons have council over their own reserved land without ii constantly being eroded away by ass-holes like this - https://www.pbs.org/video/a-legacy-of-broken-promises/
This is obviously not the case with Israel, Jews in the west bank can vote but non Jews can not, how does that work? Modern Israel is akin to United States America in 1830, they called that a democracy too, when in fact it was not. In fact the United States tried to become a democracy in 1965 Voter Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but still failed because of the following.
The United States of America still uses the Electoral College System that was only brought into being due to slave population in the south, to give the then prominently slave states more proportionate voting rights, this was a condition those states insisted on, so this system became unconstitutional when the slavery was abolished. So the U.S. is still not a democracy, unlike France's presidential system is now.
Israel in a modern context, is very much an apartheid state. Therefore your comments are LOL. Remember the Torah is not a Land Deed and rabbis and the Israeli government are not a Realtor. It's like saying the Doctrine of Discovery is and was a land deed another JOKE.
Thanks, Joe, for your perspective. No country is a perfect democracy. I agree with you about the Jewish settlements within close proximity to Gaza - they should not exist there (they should relocate themselves within closer and safer areas within Israel - its way too controversial to have opposing, and unstable populations who unhealthfully poke and prod at each other). There are at least 48 Muslim countries; only one Jewish state/country. If the majority of Palestinians do not support Israel, and would be unwilling to live as a Muslim within Israel (it is a more democratic state than the US - though not perfect as you and anyone may express, it does allow freedom of religion, and it supports all of its people within democratic processes - not perfectly, but better than many countries that are not "democratic") would any of the 48 Muslim countries accept them into their country? No - they have not accepted any of the Palestinians who hate Israel. There are pockets of Palestinians and Israelis who want to live together in peace. They want their children to grow up playing and working together. There are parents from within both Palestine and Israel who are meeting to accomplish this. We will never see this on the main-stream-media. Hate, war and atrocities sell big time on these for-profit news media.
There are 15 Muslim countries out of the 48 that implement Sharia Law. Many Israeli Muslims are happy to be citizens of Israel - ask the citizens that live in Abu Gosh... And, Israel was built because of Zionism - the founder, Herzl, though coined the "Spiritual Father" of Israel was NOT religious. He simply wanted one country in the world to exist so that Jews could escape persecution in countries around the world. He considered other areas to create (or re-create, the land of Israel)... and, it seems that perhaps creating the new Israel elsewhere, and not surrounded by enemies, may have been the wiser choice. Its very complicated. There are super religious Jews who do not believe that the state of Israel is land-based at all; rather, that is it simply a Spiritual state and not one to fight for with respect to land boundaries. This idea is very much in agreement with your statement that the Torah is not a Land Deed... some are in total agreement with you. For practical purposes, where can the Jews settle without agitation from others who do not see a rightful positioning of them within the world?
You still don't get it. Israel should have NEVER existed as it was formed.
https://joecreed.substack.com/p/peace-for-the-world-and-the-middle-b65
You compare Israel with surrounding states, THEY ARE NOT A MEASURING STICK.
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Zionists are racists and a racist ideology.
WE do not live in Andrew Jackson's time of the 1830 Indian Removal Act. The Zionist get a pass to displace people because of the Holocaust of WW2, it's sicking.
I was in communication with a West Bank rabbi for a Brief Monument in Time. He asked me during our poking and prodding of each other "should you give back the land to the Indian" I took that to mean the North American Indian, my answer was yes. He cursed me with some kinda hex or something. It's about
displacement YOU ar no different. https://www.pbs.org/video/a-legacy-of-broken-promises/
We can't go back in time but we can treat everyone as equals, even for the backward ones that many evangelicals are regardless their religion.
But they ( Israel) don't, they even banned Al Jazeera. If it was up to me there would be NO single veto votes in the U.N. and Israel would have a global ban fro everything and travel boycott, and U.S. citizens born in the USA or any other country would be stripped of that countries citizenship.
The mark of a advance and true democracy is accepting the backwards idiots like those that live in Iran or on the West Bank Settlers.
But he is the thing the Ashkenazi Jew is not the indigenous Jew, religious or not, they are just European ass-holes like all the others that went to colonize North and south America, Africa, Australia and New Zealand and all the rest of the Pacific islands but the Zionists keep spinning the homeland story, it pure shit.
The if was the U.S. President I would bomb and take out all the air bases in Israel with NO warning. But really I am just a broken down very old carpenter who likes the documentaries I watched Gospel of Thomas and Gospel of Mary it sort figures to make more sense of those times than the mush in the Torah and the cannon Bible.
I used to go to synagogue when I was very young with my a old holocaust survivor,may dad worked for him, he would be worth billions today, he was very orthodox and he even got me a little black suit and hat to wear. I used get the stare because I sat on the mans side with him while old boys still sat on the other. I was the guest, I guess, as I was not Jewish but really like going. His first family died in the camps, his second family five daughters. My mon got mad at my dad when she found out, dad did not care.
One year I convinced him to take me out for Halloween and for him to dress as black beard the pirate if promised NEVER to tell his rabbi or any other rabbi or or disclose his name to anyone else; after that he put on the eye patch, pirate hand sword I dressed as his pirate "mate" it was unclear what level of mate I was. His wife rolled her eyes at us and shook her head both of us. The told me stories that NO young person sound ever hear about his time in the camps, it's not like I don't know.
My detailed and pointed thought on it is in my "FREE Substack" archives https://joecreed.substack.com/archive.
I really just say exactly how I feel, I have be DM privately by may who felt the same way much to my surprise - I reply that i just like to rant once in a while unlike President Darth Vader who does it ALL time.
Do I even care about Zionist hostages, nope; they are no different than the settlers of North America or those in Africa and all the others, do I care, when one or more died Nope. If you displace people that YOUR risk like it or not.
Do I care when a jay-walker gets hit by a car NOPE.
We'll have to agree to disagree on many of your extreme points. As long as we label any person as not counting - that their life doesn't matter, we have a very dark chasm inside ourself to travel. Within the depths of that chasm, try to understand all at a deeper level. We are all made of the same stuff. Religion, in general, causes too much division. Its man's way of justifying himself to others within his own group. The walls of religion and its extremism must fall or we are domed to eternal division, eternal hate for one another. To deem some people's lives as not counting is unconscionable. What hell we have created on Earth! Some may label you as you label "them," as not counting in life. This hate needs to heal or there is no reason for human existence.
I don't know what you call not wanting to be colonized as an extreme point of view and people fight back in the only way they know how.
The North American Indians fought back and killed and massacred many settlers as well. BUT, was Sitting Bull a Little Bighorn a terrorist within today's meaning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn or was he just another freedom fighter? Why don't you ponder that one?
I personally think ALL of the Middle East is very backwards and more or less gets more so as time marches on since the Minoan civilization, just like many, but not all indigenous peoples outside of Europe at the time of colonizations and less so now in present day but many are still backwards.
But a sign of more advanced intelligence is not to keep doing 1830s America. Israel is very backwards as proof with 700,000 settlers in the West Bank or 40km incursion into Syria, breaking their own peace treaty. That really sounds advanced, does it not?
Are and where the Mau Mau terrorists or freedom fighters? https://www.aljazeera.com/program/witness/2016/4/28/kenyas-mau-mau-the-last-battle/
The Idea and country of Israel was founded in pure terrorism so was America, Canada and all of South America from a indigenous point of view. Lets just steal what we want because we are white and have better weapons and army than you; oh sounds pretty evolved to me do this not sound that way to you to?
Why are Zionists so entitled to a homeland based on apartheid and not old time South Africa privileged?
https://joecreed.substack.com/p/apartheid-what-is-it-and-what-kinds
Now the shitty Americans want to keep their base in old U.K. territory in the Indian Ocean called Mauritius on the Chagos Islands, I guess Yankee go home is an extremist view too? Have you ever read or even looked at the maps in the back of this book? https://kalamullah.com/Books/Pappe-Ilan-The-Ethnic-Cleansing-of-Palestine.pdf
FYI: If one is fighting people inside of their indigenous lands they are freedom fighters. That is not an extremist point of view, it is a fact.
Israel is NOT the land of the Ashkenazi Western and Eastern, Europe and Russia is. I am sorry but if you can't see mass displacement since 1948 as wrong, YOU are a bit brain dead https://archive.org/details/jewishterrorismi0000peda/page/2/mode/2up NO, One has any right or privilege at the expense of others.
Jews and other Zionists as a whole disproportionately control the monetary system and now 70 percent of the U.S. congress through Lobby Money, so the Jewish disenfranchised in past centuries that existed no longer does anymore unless it because other OWN doing!!!
The Ashkenazi Zionists imported Yemenite Jews in Operation Magic Carpet ride to try to legitimize their claims. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-world/2024/10/22/israel-the-yemenite-children-affair They did the same with other Arab Jews many from Iraq and Egypt. This was largely accomplished by conducting false flag operations so they had to leave. These investigative documentaries is why Al Jazeera is banned there sounds like a form of Putin
Here is Avi Shailm https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-world/2024/10/22/israel-the-yemenite-children-affair and a another interview https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-world/2024/10/22/israel-the-yemenite-children-affair but I guess he has a Axe to Grind to?
LOL is so-called Americans, Canadians, and Europeans fighting in the IDF but will not serve in their own armed forces again these fuckers NEED the boot.
Fuck Isreal and every racists ass-hole in it. Israel as it is known today and since 1948 will come to a end if and when United States aid ends to it. This what they lobby against, it's a scam.
Imagine this for a moment: The nuts that control the balance of power there all were born and grew up in illegal West Bank settlements but can vote in Israeli elections and run in them but non Jews in the West bank can not, how does that square up?
Or the bad crazy Zionist orthodox do not even have to serve in the IDF how do you square that one up?
Or the Zionist orthodox get free welfare cheques provided to them since Israel's creation how do you square that one up?
Israel of day will have a internal civil war as there is even apartheid among their own kind between the Ashkenazi, and the Arab Jews that were crapped on early on; just YouTube search Arab Jew or the read up on IT : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfDhaWlqXf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMJJiZlXOi0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair.
Why do think Al Jazeera is banned in Israel and the West Bank now?
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-world/2024/10/22/israel-the-yemenite-children-affair
IS THIS ALL FAKE NEWS TO?
I thought I had replied already - and, alas, I must not have hit the Reply button. In short, the Zionist movement was founded by Herzl, who was not a religious Jew - yet, Israel has coined him as the "Spiritual Father" of Israel. There are some extreme orthodoxical religious Jews who believe that Israel is about a supreme spiritual state and not about a land mass. They do not believe in defending Israel's land boundaries, and I wouldn't label them as "Zionists." Every citizen in Israel is not a racist. Please read my other comment to you above.
It would have been easier on everyone if there weren't extreme clashes in ideologies living so close and sharing borders one with the other. Thanks!
Eh, so you are saying that within the modern Israel, there is not a strong theological component in its political mix? While IDF did throw Palestinians into Gaza, at night, with people in pajama and without their personal belongings as early as 1946, the Israel I thought I knew about during the 60s and 70s carried military actions more along the code of the conventional European armies. Palestinians were not treated well, but not as bad as they are today. At least on the surface, the Israel government tried to play a facade of different but equal. But after the assassination of Begin, things in Israel has come downhill. And during Netanyahu's rule, I would say things change at avalanche speed.
You know why there are 48 Muslim countries but only one Israel? Because Muslim theology does not require believers to be from a certain tribe. There are Muslims in Chinese, European, and southeast Asia societies as well. And Muslim do not believe anyone or tribe is higher than any other person or tribe. Furthermore, Muslim teaching discourages borrowing and lending. In comparison to a certain ethnic group dominating the banking industry, that is a very strong contrast.
Does Israel has a right to survive? of course, as long as it is within the 1946-1948 UN resolutions. 1956 and 1967 wars were both launched by Israel by surprise attack, te same way as the raid on Pearl Harbor. The Egyptians replayed the same script in 1973. Eventually Egypt lost, signed peace treaty, ceded large chunks of Sinai to Israel, and did not try to grab it back by force ever since. Syria ceded Golan Heights, and had not tried to take it back by military forces. However, Israel funded, supported, and maintained new settlements in areas not recognized by UN or any such post-war treaties between Israel and other countries.
We ALL know the Herzl dream, Hitler and William Luther Pierce had one too, BOTH are really shitty, even more so in the 20th and especially in the 21st Century this is NOT 1850, 1896 or 1945 or even 1960, this is TODAY.
Zionism is just a backwards cult, like all religions that are almost a 100 percent of the time taken out of context, if there were any good points to start with.
English translational of The Jewish State; https://ia800600.us.archive.org/14/items/HerzlTheodorAJewishStateEN190468S./Herzl%2C%20Theodor%20-%20A%20Jewish%20State%20%28EN%2C%201904%2C%2068%20S.%29.pdf
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/25282/25282-h/25282-h.htm
The Nazi State: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf
https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf-by-adolf-hitler-ralph-manheim-translation/page/xviii/mode/2up
William Luther Pierce another ass-hole of a minor point in history wrote the Turner Diaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/herzls-troubled-dream-origins-zionism
Ironically both are Kruts, who are on the extreme right of things at the best of times
Your survey is PROOF the Zionist Lobby working overtime - it is as bogus as Zionist controlled media as this investigative news story and book states.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-listening-post/2024/10/5/failing-gaza-behind-the-lens-of-western-media
https://substack.com/home/post/p-143809343?source=queue
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Israel+Lobby+Book
https://oneworld-publications.com/work/lobbying-for-zionism-on-both-sides-of-the-atlantic/
Regarding below: to ICC, Polish leader says Netanyahu is immune at Auschwitz commemoration. Poland needs to be suspended immediately from the European Union and use of the Euro.
Let Poland use the Russian Rouble or Israeli Shekel. If Poland does not get suspended and then the boot there is NO credibility in the EU and the ICC which they are all part of; it does not matter who or what the ICC warrant is for the EU MUST show some spine.
Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Israel what those pricks have done to the Palestinians since 1948 till now is NO different proportionally than what Hitler did to the Ashkenazi over a more compressed time period.
NO MORE BOO HOO FOR THE JEW from something Hitler did to them, it does give them a pass to that very thing to do to others, including preferential hiring of their own kind or black balling ALL people, even their own kind if they are not Zionists.
I heard it all; You are a Self Hating Jew or your are a Antisemite or you have Axe to Grind, it ALL bullshit and one day it’s all going to come back to bit them one way or another. Today one would tolerate Andrew Jackson’s 1830 Indian Removal Act either; so why the fuck do Zionists in any form or shape get a pass?
This biting has already come full circle for this person in relation to the aforementioned, as I personally would not care if the whole of Tel Aviv was whipped by a bio weapon, Israelis and their leader are ALL racist self entitled assholes. I say this not out of anger but as a point in fact.
To think I am white have NO connection to the Middle East but have Jewish blood as far back as King Henry's III time frame, from what family history my long gone English uncle did many decades ago, who would be well over a 110 if alive today.
Has any one read these FACTS?????? https://kalamullah.com/Books/Pappe-Ilan-The-Ethnic-Cleansing-of-Palestine.pdf or this https://ia800704.us.archive.org/5/items/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/Einstein_Letter_NYT_4_Dec_1948_text.pdf
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/8/why-has-the-us-accused-sudanese-militias-of-genocide-but-not-israel
WHY IS THE WORLD SO STUPID - IS IT ALL FOR ZIONIST LOBBY MONEY?
Yahya Sinwar lives.
Yahya Sinwar is or was nuts like the rest, he is just on the other side of the equation.
Everyone remembers E=Mc2 equation, but really it is Ec2=M if you know physics you will understand and one day other sides not friendly to anyone will obtain it to balance the scales.
P.S. I never thought anyone ever read my rants least of all let alone anything I ever write, or email politicians about in great microscopic detail, that is mostly related to building design and using cement that is produced with 50% of a Co2 footprint and forest fire proof buildings and city planning on the scale and type in Singapore. At least I can say I tried to warn them. I wrote about Peace in the Middle East not too many takers on that one. https://joecreed.substack.com/p/peace-for-the-world-and-the-middle-b65