I think the truth of this is that Trump got less than he’s claiming. Right now, Ukraine cannot extract these assets without JV partners. I’m guessing US companies will be those partners, an arrangement we could have reached without it looking like arm twisting. But, of course, Trump wants to be perceived as pushing people around.
Note that Trump has the same approach domestically: he wants to abolish FEMA, the federal agency that provides support in regional emergencies. The basic idea is to use the poor as a booster rocket from which the rich can ultimately seperate on their way to Mars and a beautiful life.
MSNBC said Trump is the first president since the second world war to stand against the "free world" with his recent siding at the UN. His position may be "just negotiation", but it's disgraceful, and like you said, a logical extension of his thinking will lead him to the 'highest bidder', in whatever affair.
I'm fascinated by how his supporters will bend themselves backwards to find ways in which to defend him.
I do not understand the situational history involved with this war; but, I listened to Kennedy describing the situation prior to the war as having the ability to prevent the war between Russia and the Ulraine, and at the time the leaders of the two nations had an agreement to do just that. But, US does act as a mercenary force... not just in the Ukraine, but throughout other countries, so that war is provoked and our industrial military complex gains huge profits (often supplying weapons of enemies of each other). Is it possible that if the original agreement was allowed to cement, the war between the two nations would have been avoided, and US corporations would not have made the profits from this war that they indeed wanted behind the scenes? Can you please explain this to me. Thanks so much! I very much appreciate your attention to these important world issues... and, they are so very complex.
Bravo Dan Perry! I agree 100% with everything mentioned in this article on "Trump's disgraceful Ukraine shakedown". Don't even change a comma.
Ukraine's plight is becoming Agent Orange Man's target, his glorious, impressively large & pharaonic experiment. A perfect money-making plan. It's a Big, Bold idea never before experienced in history. It's also a vulgar, shameless and humane-less "pilot project", a precedent for more mercenary behaviours in other "unfortunate" sovereign countries: Panama; Greenland; Canada (aka US's 51st state); Gaza Riviera; and to boot, perhaps even other European countries too. Depends on Russia's response to all of that. Reciprocal tariffs across the globe & Russia will make sure of the success of that "proven" shakedown approach.
I voted for "A disgraceful & vulgar shakedown" and wish I was in the minority again, as I usually am in our polls. The televised cabinet meeting this evening was almost embarrassing. The secretaries of state did look, as commentators described, like Saddam Hussein's 'cabinet' or as I might imagine in North Korea. My only hope from today is that Europe might 'wake up and smell the coffee!
Here is what Trump projects to the rest of the world with this shameless maneuver:
"We are not a serious nation. We are frivolous, selfish, and small-minded, and we offer no trustworthy partnership founded on the strength of our relationships with our democratic allies.
i guess you mean all presidents did this one way or another. i don't know about that -- it strikes me as a false equivalence, like everybody lies. sure, but not like trump. i do know about this: there is nothing coming from that quarter that you will not defend. he could declare martial law, and you'd be here blaming the democrats, or soros, or something.
Dan. I don’t agree or support everything that Trump does. In fact, I don’t like him as a person. But, but FDR made deals with King Faisal for oil and allied himself with Stalin a mass murderer:did that make FDR a gangster or an accomplice to mass murder, in my humble opinion it did not.
Respectfully, we differ about that, Keith. I think FDR was complicit in the industrialized slaughter of millions of individuals who were members of unpopular minority groups, by Russians and Germans. He also allowed the internment of U.S. citizens of Japanese descent in the U.S.! Those decisions forever sully his reputation as a wartime leader of the United States.
Nancy, FDR was facing the Nazis who murdered millions deliberately , the Japanese who slaughtered millions of Chinese, forced Korean women into prostitution, etc.
FDR had to confront evil and had to make very difficult moral decisions but the world was better off by defeating the Nazis, the fascists in Italy and in Japan.
I cannot fault him for that. It is hard to be a leader and to have to make those choices. I think under the circumstances he made the right choices.
I think that Dan would agree with me although it would be hard for him to do so.
He made some very poor choices in that war that unnecessarily destroyed or compromised thousands of lives. He had other options--options that were not unduly difficult or costly, but that he cast cynically cast aside. I will not visit FDR's memorial in Washington DC because I think he was a moral failure. His leadership was not the guiding light of virtue in that war you make it out to be.
Utterly shameful behavior but not surprised by Trump’s level of greed and vulgarity.
I think the truth of this is that Trump got less than he’s claiming. Right now, Ukraine cannot extract these assets without JV partners. I’m guessing US companies will be those partners, an arrangement we could have reached without it looking like arm twisting. But, of course, Trump wants to be perceived as pushing people around.
Note that Trump has the same approach domestically: he wants to abolish FEMA, the federal agency that provides support in regional emergencies. The basic idea is to use the poor as a booster rocket from which the rich can ultimately seperate on their way to Mars and a beautiful life.
In which case, maybe, good riddance?
MSNBC said Trump is the first president since the second world war to stand against the "free world" with his recent siding at the UN. His position may be "just negotiation", but it's disgraceful, and like you said, a logical extension of his thinking will lead him to the 'highest bidder', in whatever affair.
I'm fascinated by how his supporters will bend themselves backwards to find ways in which to defend him.
Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?--Henry II
I do not understand the situational history involved with this war; but, I listened to Kennedy describing the situation prior to the war as having the ability to prevent the war between Russia and the Ulraine, and at the time the leaders of the two nations had an agreement to do just that. But, US does act as a mercenary force... not just in the Ukraine, but throughout other countries, so that war is provoked and our industrial military complex gains huge profits (often supplying weapons of enemies of each other). Is it possible that if the original agreement was allowed to cement, the war between the two nations would have been avoided, and US corporations would not have made the profits from this war that they indeed wanted behind the scenes? Can you please explain this to me. Thanks so much! I very much appreciate your attention to these important world issues... and, they are so very complex.
Bravo Dan Perry! I agree 100% with everything mentioned in this article on "Trump's disgraceful Ukraine shakedown". Don't even change a comma.
Ukraine's plight is becoming Agent Orange Man's target, his glorious, impressively large & pharaonic experiment. A perfect money-making plan. It's a Big, Bold idea never before experienced in history. It's also a vulgar, shameless and humane-less "pilot project", a precedent for more mercenary behaviours in other "unfortunate" sovereign countries: Panama; Greenland; Canada (aka US's 51st state); Gaza Riviera; and to boot, perhaps even other European countries too. Depends on Russia's response to all of that. Reciprocal tariffs across the globe & Russia will make sure of the success of that "proven" shakedown approach.
Absolutely delirious.
"To Infinity and Beyond!!" Buzz Lightyear
I voted for "A disgraceful & vulgar shakedown" and wish I was in the minority again, as I usually am in our polls. The televised cabinet meeting this evening was almost embarrassing. The secretaries of state did look, as commentators described, like Saddam Hussein's 'cabinet' or as I might imagine in North Korea. My only hope from today is that Europe might 'wake up and smell the coffee!
Here is what Trump projects to the rest of the world with this shameless maneuver:
"We are not a serious nation. We are frivolous, selfish, and small-minded, and we offer no trustworthy partnership founded on the strength of our relationships with our democratic allies.
Expect nothing from us."
This reminds me of when Michael Corleone says to Kay:
“ my father is like all powerful men who are responsible for other people like a President or a Senator”
Kay says:
“You are being naive. Presidents and Senators don’t have people killed.”
Michael says:
“Who is being naive”
Dan, who is being naive?
i guess you mean all presidents did this one way or another. i don't know about that -- it strikes me as a false equivalence, like everybody lies. sure, but not like trump. i do know about this: there is nothing coming from that quarter that you will not defend. he could declare martial law, and you'd be here blaming the democrats, or soros, or something.
You are making assumptions about me which are not accurate or fair but that is okay as I have respect for you which is why I read your articles.
Dan. I don’t agree or support everything that Trump does. In fact, I don’t like him as a person. But, but FDR made deals with King Faisal for oil and allied himself with Stalin a mass murderer:did that make FDR a gangster or an accomplice to mass murder, in my humble opinion it did not.
Respectfully, we differ about that, Keith. I think FDR was complicit in the industrialized slaughter of millions of individuals who were members of unpopular minority groups, by Russians and Germans. He also allowed the internment of U.S. citizens of Japanese descent in the U.S.! Those decisions forever sully his reputation as a wartime leader of the United States.
Nancy, FDR was facing the Nazis who murdered millions deliberately , the Japanese who slaughtered millions of Chinese, forced Korean women into prostitution, etc.
FDR had to confront evil and had to make very difficult moral decisions but the world was better off by defeating the Nazis, the fascists in Italy and in Japan.
I cannot fault him for that. It is hard to be a leader and to have to make those choices. I think under the circumstances he made the right choices.
I think that Dan would agree with me although it would be hard for him to do so.
He made some very poor choices in that war that unnecessarily destroyed or compromised thousands of lives. He had other options--options that were not unduly difficult or costly, but that he cast cynically cast aside. I will not visit FDR's memorial in Washington DC because I think he was a moral failure. His leadership was not the guiding light of virtue in that war you make it out to be.
Not guiding light for me.